Enhver stemme efter fri overbevisning (5)

Kilde: Stortingstidende 1908, s. 874

Gunnar  Knudsen
Gunnar Knudsen (foto: wikipedia.no)

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<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><b><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><b><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>Hr. <span class=SpellE

>statsraad</span>

Arctander har i formiddag i et <span class=SpellE>l&aelig;ngere</span> fo

redrag

<span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:.3pt'>udtalt</span></spa

n><span

style='letter-spacing:.3pt'> sig <span class=SpellE>angaaende</span> <s

pan

class=SpellE>grube-</span> og bergverks&shy;</span><span style='letter-

spacing:

.2pt'>drift og navnlig <span class=SpellE>repliceret</span> polemisk <span

class=SpellE>ligeover&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>for</span>

</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'> mine <span class=SpellE>udtalelser</span>

<span

class=SpellE>igaar</span>. </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>D

et er

mig i de </span><span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>

faa</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'> <span class=SpellE>minuter</span>, som n

u er mig

levnet, </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>ganske </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>umulig i detalj at <span class=SpellE>til

bagevise</span>

de fleste <span class=SpellE>af</span> de </span><span class=SpellE><sp

an

style='letter-spacing:-.35pt'>paastande</span></span><span style='lette

r-spacing:

-.35pt'>, som han kom med. </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Jeg

henviser til det stenografiske referat. </span><span style='letter-spacin

g:

-.15pt'>Det vil <span class=SpellE>deraf</span> </span><span style='let

ter-spacing:

-.1pt'>vise sig, at det i alt <span class=SpellE>v&aelig;sentlig</span> e

r <span

class=SpellE>misforstaa&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>elser</

span></span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> og <span class=SpellE>tilsnigelser</span

>. </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>Jeg vil ikke sige, </span><span style='let

ter-spacing:

-.45pt'>at </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>disse <span class=

SpellE>tilsnigelser</span>

er gjort med vilje, </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.5pt'>men de </sp

an><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>beror n&aelig;rmest <span class=SpellE>paa

</span> <span

class=SpellE>misforstaaelser</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:

-.25pt'>eller

<span class=SpellE>mis&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>opfatnin

ger</span></span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>. </span>Jeg skal dog referere det vir&shy;

<span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>kelige forhold med en <span class=SpellE>

af</span>

disse <span class=SpellE>paastande</span> for </span><span style='lette

r-spacing:

-.1pt'>at vise, hvorledes dette forhold er. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'><o:

p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Han

<span

class=SpellE>ud&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:.35pt'>talte</span></sp

an></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.35pt'> <s

pan

class=SpellE>blandt</span> <span class=SpellE>andet</span>, at jeg som

</span><span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

-.1pt'>chef</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old S

tyle";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman

Old Style";

letter-spacing:.35pt'>for <span class=SpellE>land&shy;<span style='lett

er-spacing:

-.2pt'>brugsdepartementet</span></span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-

family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'> </span><span style='mso-bidi-f

ont-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>ved <span class=SpellE>forhand

lingerne</span>

med </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-s

pacing:

.15pt'>Christian Anker om <span class=SpellE>Sydvaranger-kon&shy;c<span

style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>essionen</span></span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'> <sp

an

class=SpellE>havde</span> <span class=SpellE>givet</span> <span class

=SpellE>udtrykkelig</span>

<span class=SpellE>paal&aelig;g</span> </span><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>om, at vedkommende, som fik <span

class=SpellE>koncessionen</span>, </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-fam

ily:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>skulde <span class=GramE>anven

de</span>

svenske arbeidere. </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old

Style";

letter-spacing:.1pt'>Jeg blev </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"B

ookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'>meget overrasket ved at h&oslash;re denne <span

class=SpellE>oplys&shy;ning</span>; <span class=SpellE>thi</span> jeg k

unde

ikke i <span class=SpellE>&oslash;ieblikket</span> erindre </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

-.3pt'>sammenh&aelig;ngen</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.3pt'>. </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman

Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Jeg har imidlertid <span class=SpellE>faaet</span>

fat </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

-.2pt'>paa</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old St

yle";

letter-spacing:-.2pt'> vedkommende dokument og ved nu, hvor&shy;</span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.3pt'>led

es <span

class=SpellE>sammenh&aelig;ngen</span> </span><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>er. </span><span style='mso-bi

di-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'>Det forekommer mig, at <span

class=SpellE>naar</span> man vil komme med den slags </span><span class

=SpellE><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>pa

astande</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>,

burde

man <span class=SpellE>oplyse</span> den hele sam&shy;</span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>men

hang. <span

class=SpellE>Sammenh&aelig;ngen</span> er, at Anker <span class=SpellE>

vilde</span>

</span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spaci

ng:

.2pt'>have <span class=SpellE>ind</span> formen &laquo;i st&oslash;rst mu

lig <span

class=SpellE>udstr&aelig;kning</span> </span><span style='mso-bidi-font

-family:

"Bookman Old Style"'>norske arbeidere og <span class=SpellE>funktion&aeli

g;rer</span>&raquo;.

<span style='letter-spacing:-.35pt'>Men det </span><span style='letter-

spacing:

-.1pt'>vovede ikke <span class=SpellE>landbrugsdepartementet</span> </spa

n><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>at <span class=SpellE>gaa</span> </span><s

pan

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.3pt'>ind</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.3pt'> <span class=SpellE>paa</span>. </span><sp

an

style='letter-spacing:.4pt'>Sagen er jo den, at <span class=SpellE>Sydv

aranger</span>

</span>ligger i et <span class=SpellE>gr&aelig;nsedistrikt</span>, det li

gger

n&aelig;r ved <span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Rusland, og derfor <span

class=SpellE>fandt</span> man at <span class=SpellE>maatte</span> <span

class=SpellE>ind&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:.15pt'>skr&aelig;nke</

span></span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.15pt'> adgangen for fremmede arbeidere til </span>

<span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>norske og svenske. </span><span style='le

tter-spacing:

-.25pt'>Det <span class=SpellE>paabud</span>, som <span class=SpellE>de

n&shy;<span

style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>gang</span></span></span><span style='lette

r-spacing:

.1pt'> kom fra <span class=SpellE>landbrugsdepartementet</span>, <span

class=SpellE>gik</span> <span class=SpellE>ud</span> </span><span class

=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>paa</span></span><span style='letter-spaci

ng:-.1pt'>,

at der skulde <span class=SpellE>bruges</span> norske og svenske </span><

span

style='letter-spacing:.3pt'>arbeidere, <span class=SpellE>altsaa</span>

ikke </span>russere,

<span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.35pt'>af</span></span>

<span

style='letter-spacing:-.35pt'> den </span><span style='letter-spacing:.

45pt'>n&aelig;rliggende

<span class=SpellE>grund</span>, at man ikke <span class=SpellE>havde</

span>

lyst </span><span style='letter-spacing:.25pt'>til at foranledige mulige

politiske konflikter </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>med et <sp

an

class=SpellE>m&aelig;gtig</span> naborige. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'><o:

p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%;text-autospace:ideograph-num

eric'><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'>Ved

samme

an&shy;</span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lette

r-spacing:

-.1pt'>ledning skal jeg <span class=SpellE>n&aelig;vne</span>, at departe

mentet

var </span><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookma

n Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.15pt'>opmerksom</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-

family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'> <span class=SpellE>paa</span>

og <span

class=SpellE>havde</span> <span class=SpellE>ogsaa</span> <span class

=SpellE>foreslaaet</span>

en </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-sp

acing:

-.05pt'>bestemmelse om, </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman

Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.2pt'>at vedkommende <span class=SpellE>koncessio&shy;<sp

an

style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>n&aelig;r</span></span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'> <sp

an

class=SpellE>maatte</span> v&aelig;re <span class=SpellE>opmerksom</spa

n> <span

class=SpellE>paa</span>, </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Book

man Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.35pt'>at staten </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family

:"Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:.2pt'>forbeholdt sig at <span class=SpellE>l&aelig;gge</sp

an> <span

class=SpellE>fyr-</span> og <span class=SpellE>lasteafgift</span> <span

class=SpellE>paa</span> </span><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bi

di-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>skibsfarten</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'> og

muligens </span><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"B

ookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'>eksporttold</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font

-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>. </span><span style='mso-bidi-

font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>Dette </span><span class=Spell

E><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.1pt'>mods

atte</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.1pt'> Chr

istian

Anker sig <span class=SpellE>paa</span> det bestem&shy;</span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'>tes

te.

Det blev <span class=SpellE>frafaldt</span> <span class=SpellE>af</span

> den,

som kom <span class=SpellE>efter</span> </span><span style='mso-bidi-fo

nt-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>mig, <span class=SpellE>rigtig

nok</span>

med den <span class=SpellE>udtrykkelige</span> <span class=SpellE>tilf&

oslash;ielse</span>,

</span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spaci

ng:

.35pt'>at hermed var ingen <span class=SpellE>rettighed</span> fraskrevet

for </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'>sta

ten

med hensyn til <span class=SpellE>paal&aelig;g</span> <span class=Spell

E>af</span>

disse <span class=SpellE>af&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>gifte

r</span></span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'>.<o:

p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span class=SpellE><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>Sa

a</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'> <

/span><span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

-.1pt'>finder</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old

Style";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman

Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.15pt'>jeg </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Book

man Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.05pt'>at burde referere ganske </span><span style='mso-b

idi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>kort de <span class=SpellE>udt

alelser</span>,

som </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-s

pacing:

-.05pt'>blev <span class=SpellE>paatalt</span> <span class=SpellE>af</s

pan> hr.

</span><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Ol

d Style";

letter-spacing:-.25pt'>pr&aelig;sidenten</span></span><span style='mso-bi

di-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>. </span><span style='mso-bidi

-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>Jeg har <span class=SpellE>faa

et</span>

det stenografiske </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old S

tyle"'>referat,

og det er <span class=SpellE>saalydende</span>: <span style='letter-spa

cing:

.15pt'>&laquo;<span class=SpellE>Yderligheds&shy;<span style='letter-sp

acing:

-.05pt'>partierne</span></span></span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'

> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>- </span><span class=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>paa</span></span><span style='letter-spaci

ng:-.2pt'>

de <span class=SpellE>sidstn&aelig;vnte</span> </span>n&aelig;r -&raquo;

<span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>det er <span class=SpellE>socialdemokrater

ne</span>

- </span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>&laquo;samlede sig </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:.15pt'>efterhaanden</span></sp

an><span

style='letter-spacing:.15pt'> om vor </span><span style='letter-spacing

:-.15pt'>kollega

fra 1905, <span class=SpellE>man&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt

'>den</span></span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> med den sterke selvf&oslash;lelse og det h

eftige

</span><span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>sind</span

></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>, der mere og mere syntes at have <span

class=SpellE>sat</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>sig

det

politiske <span class=SpellE>livsmaal</span> </span>at <span class=Spel

lE>s&oslash;ge</span>

sig <span class=SpellE>opreis&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:.35pt'>ni

ng</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.35pt'> <span class=SpellE>ligeoverfor</span> sine

tidligere kolleger, fordi </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>hans

ubetenksomme holdning i 1905 <span class=SpellE>havde</span> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.35pt'>n&oslash;dt ham til at forlade 7de <span

class=SpellE>juni-regjeringen</span>. </span>I samarbeide med <span

class=SpellE>m&aelig;nd</span>, <span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>som

han i

1905 </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>ikke <span class=SpellE>

ansaa</span>

for <span class=SpellE>meningsf&aelig;ller</span>, </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>republikaner med disse i slutten <span

class=SpellE>af</span> 1905, </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.25pt'

>han,

som tidli&shy;</span><span style='letter-spacing:.55pt'>gere var regnet f

or en

ivrig <span class=SpellE>forkj&aelig;mper</span> for </span><span class

=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>indkaldelse</span></span><span style='let

ter-spacing:

-.15pt'> at et kongsemne, </span><span class=SpellE><span style='letter

-spacing:

-.25pt'>laante</span></span><span style='letter-spacing:-.25pt'> han <span

class=SpellE>sit</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>navn

og sin

anseelse til de fleste at de <span class=SpellE>storm&shy;l&oslash;b</spa

n>, <span

class=SpellE>yderlighedsm&aelig;ndene</span> </span><span style='letter

-spacing:

.15pt'>gang </span><span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.7pt

'>paa</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.7pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:.15pt'

>gang </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.4pt'>gjorde for at <span class=SpellE>f&aelig;ld

e</span>

regjeringen&raquo;. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span class=SpellE><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.3pt'>Saa

ledes</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.3pt'> </

span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>l&oslash;d <span class

=SpellE>udtalelserne</span>.

<span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>Jeg synes jo, de er <span class=Spe

llE>noksaa</span>

</span><span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>n&aelig;rg

aaende</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>. </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05p

t'>Jeg

skal imidlertid ikke <span class=SpellE>udtale</span> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>mig n&aelig;rmere om det, siden hr. <span

class=SpellE>statsraaden</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:.35p

t'>har <span

class=SpellE>erkl&aelig;ret</span>, at det ikke var hans <span class=Sp

ellE>hensigt</span>

</span><span style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>at komme med forn&aelig;rmende <

span

class=SpellE>udtryk</span>, </span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>og

jeg </span><span

class=SpellE>gaar</span> da <span class=SpellE>ud</span> fra, at de <sp

an

class=SpellE>forsaavidt</span> er <span class=SpellE>taget</span> <span

class=SpellE>til&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>bage</span></sp

an><span

style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>. </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt

'>Men

jeg <span class=SpellE>finder</span> <span class=SpellE>grund</span> ti

l at <span

class=SpellE>h&aelig;vde</span>, at </span><span class=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:.25pt'>naar</span></span><span style='letter-spac

ing:

.25pt'> hr. <span class=SpellE>statsraad</span> Arctander synes </span>at

<span

class=SpellE>vilde</span> <span class=GramE><span style='letter-spaci

ng:-.1pt'>fremholde</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>, at der </span><span style='letter-spacin

g:-.05pt'>er

en <span class=SpellE>selvmodsigelse</span> i </span><span style='lette

r-spacing:

-.25pt'>dette, </span>at jeg var og er republikaner, <span style='letter-

spacing:

.1pt'>var </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>republikaner </span>

<span

style='letter-spacing:.45pt'>f&oslash;r </span><span style='letter-spac

ing:

-.1pt'>7de </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.25pt'>juni </span><span

style='letter-spacing:1.1pt'>og </span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt

'>blev </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.4pt'>det </span><span class=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>ogsaa</span></span><span style='letter-sp

acing:

-.15pt'> <span class=SpellE>efterpaa</span>, og <span class=SpellE>trod

s</span>

dette var med og </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.35pt'>endog </span>

- det

er <span class=SpellE>rigtig</span>, som hr. <span class=SpellE>statsra

ad</span>

<span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Arctander sagde </span>- <span

style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>var en ivrig <span class=SpellE>tilh&aelig;

nger</span>

</span><span class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>af</span>

</span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> at tilbyde kronen til en </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Bernadottisk</span></sp

an><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>

prins, <span

class=SpellE>saa</span> var <span class=SpellE>grunden</span> den, som

hr.

Arctander </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.45pt'>meget </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>vel ved, </span><span style='letter-spaci

ng:.1pt'>at

vi i regjeringen <span class=SpellE>fore<span style='letter-spacing:-.2

pt'>slog</span></span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'> stortinget at <span class=SpellE>gaa</spa

n> med <span

class=SpellE>paa</span> dette tilbud, </span><span style='letter-spacin

g:.75pt'>idet

vi <span class=SpellE>gik</span> <span class=SpellE>ud</span> fra, at v

ed at <span

class=SpellE>faa</span> en <span class=SpellE>Berna&shy;<span style='

letter-spacing:

0pt'>dottisk</span></span></span> prins til konge i Norge <span class=Spe

llE>vilde</span>

man for <span style='letter-spacing:.3pt'>det f&oslash;rste have den

st&oslash;rst mulige <span class=SpellE>udsigt</span> til </span>et frede

lig <span

class=SpellE>opgj&oslash;r</span> <span class=SpellE>af</span> hele kon

flikten <span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>og </span>- <span class=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:.45pt'>hvad</span></span><span style='letter-spac

ing:

.45pt'> der var ikke <span class=SpellE>mindst</span> <span class=Spell

E>vigtig</span>

</span>- en fredelig <span class=SpellE>udvikling</span> <span class=Sp

ellE>paa</span>

den skandinaviske <span class=SpellE>halv&oslash;</span>. <span

style='letter-spacing:-.3pt'>Dette <span class=SpellE>ansaa</span> </sp

an><span

style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>hele regjeringen for at v&aelig;re overorden

tlig </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:.3pt'>vigtig</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.3pt'>, og derfor <span class=SpellE>fandt</span>

jeg at <span

class=SpellE>maatte</span> <span class=SpellE>opgive</span> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>det slags ideer som republikanisme. For <span

class=SpellE>mit</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>vedkom

mende

var det et offer; men jeg <span class=SpellE>fandt</span> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.45pt'>at kunne <span class=SpellE>yde</span> det

offer,

idet jeg <span class=SpellE>ansaa</span> de to </span><span style='lett

er-spacing:

.4pt'>andre <span class=SpellE>opgaver</span> for at v&aelig;re de <span

class=SpellE>vigtigste</span>. Men </span><span style='letter-spacing:-

.1pt'>da

dette tilbud var <span class=SpellE>bortfaldt</span>, stod jeg <span

class=SpellE>frit</span>, </span>og da er det en selvf&oslash;lge, at jeg

gjorde <span class=SpellE>gj&aelig;l&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:-.

15pt'>dende</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'> mine <span class=SpellE>oprindelige</spa

n>

ideer, da vi <span class=SpellE>altsaa</span> </span><span style='lette

r-spacing:

-.2pt'>stod <span class=SpellE>frit</span>. </span><span style='letter-

spacing:

-.25pt'>Det er <span class=SpellE>sammenh&aelig;ngen</span>, og jeg <span

class=SpellE>an&shy;<span style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>tager</span></spa

n></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>, at enhver <span class=SpellE>forstaar</sp

an> den <span

class=SpellE>sammenh&aelig;ng</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>Jeg kan ikke <span class=Spell

E>undlade</span>

at referere et par </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old

Style";

letter-spacing:.15pt'>linjer til <span class=SpellE>af</span> hr. <span

class=SpellE>statsraad</span> Arctanders foredrag, </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>so

m jeg

ikke spesielt har lagt merke til, men </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-f

amily:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.4pt'>der blev lagt merke til det fra <s

pan

class=SpellE>andet</span> hold. </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-famil

y:"Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:.2pt'>Han sagde: &laquo;Hr. Gunnar Knudsen endte med </span>

<span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>en

<span

class=SpellE>liden</span> personlig bemerkning til mig, som </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.35pt'>ikk

e for

min skyld, men for hans skyld </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"B

ookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.05pt'>bedr&oslash;vede mig. Det viste, at han var </span><

span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>ble

vet</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'> <span class=SpellE>sa

a</span>

<span class=SpellE>lidenskabelig</span>, om jeg <span class=SpellE>saa<

/span>

skal <span style='letter-spacing:.4pt'>kalde det, at han ikke <span

class=SpellE>l&aelig;ngere</span> gj&oslash;r forskjel </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:.25pt'>paa</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.25pt'>, <span class=SpellE>hvad</span> midler ha

n <span

class=SpellE>bruger</span>&raquo;. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.25pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Dette <span class=SpellE>udtryk

</span>

</span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spaci

ng:

-.15pt'>kommer vel i <span class=SpellE>grunden</span> i <span class=Sp

ellE>endnu</span>

sterkere strid </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Styl

e";

letter-spacing:.4pt'>med reglementets &sect; 33 end det, som blev </span><s

pan

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

-.2pt'>paatalt</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Ol

d Style";

letter-spacing:-.2pt'> <span class=SpellE>af</span> <span class=SpellE>

pr&aelig;sidenten</span>.

Det gjaldt den episode, som jeg berettede, da jeg <span class=SpellE>sids

t</span>

<span class=SpellE>havde</span> ordet, </span><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.25pt'>idet jeg i en <span class=Spel

lE>sp&oslash;gefuld</span>

tone talte om Jeppe i </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman O

ld Style";

letter-spacing:.25pt'>baronens seng, og som vakte adskillig <span class=S

pellE>mun<span

style='letter-spacing:-.4pt'>terhed</span></span></span><span style='ms

o-bidi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.4pt'> i salen. </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.5pt'>Det

<span

class=SpellE>faldt</span> mig ikke <span class=SpellE>ind</span>, at </

span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'>stat

srand

Arctander skulde <span class=SpellE>tage</span> sig <span class=SpellE>

saa</span>

n&aelig;r </span><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"

Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.15pt'>deraf</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-fami

ly:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>, og jeg vil <span class=Spell

E>l&aelig;gge</span>

til, at <span class=SpellE>havde</span> det <span class=SpellE>faldt</s

pan> </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.3pt'>mig

<span

class=SpellE>ind</span>, at han skulde <span class=SpellE>tage</span> s

ig <span

class=SpellE>saa</span> n&aelig;r <span class=SpellE>af</span> det, som

det <span

class=SpellE>fremgik</span> <span class=SpellE>af</span> hans <span

class=SpellE>udtalelser</span> her </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-fa

mily:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'>i formiddag, <span class=SpellE

>saa</span>

<span class=SpellE>havde</span> jeg aldeles ikke kom&shy;</span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'>me

t med

det; for det var ikke mig om at </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'>gj&oslash;re at <span class=SpellE>kr&aelig;nke</sp

an> <span

class=SpellE>statsraad</span> Arctander. </span><span style='mso-bidi-f

ont-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.55pt'>Hvor&shy;</span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.3pt'>for

skulde

jeg <span class=GramE>gj&oslash;re</span> det? </span><span style='mso-

bidi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style"'>Tingen er, at jeg <span class=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:-.3pt'>t&aelig;nkte</span></span><span style='let

ter-spacing:

-.3pt'>, det var med ham som med mig og </span><span style='letter-spacin

g:

-.2pt'>de fleste <span class=SpellE>af</span> os politikere, at vi er <sp

an

class=SpellE>saa</span> vant </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>

til at

blive overh&oslash;vlet i den offentlige presse, </span><span style='lett

er-spacing:

.5pt'>for ikke at sige <span class=SpellE>mand</span> og <span class=Sp

ellE>mand</span>

<span class=SpellE>imellem</span>, at </span><span style='letter-spacin

g:.35pt'>man

tager sig ikke synderlig t&aelig;ring <span class=SpellE>af</span> det; m

</span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>an mister ikke hum&oslash;ret, fordi om der

kom&shy;</span><span

style='letter-spacing:.4pt'>mer en del krasse <span class=SpellE>udtale

lser</span>

om en. </span><span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>Men </span>som sagt, jeg

beklager det, og <span class=SpellE>havde</span> jeg <span class=SpellE

><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>vidst</span></span><span style='letter-spa

cing:

-.1pt'>, at <span class=SpellE>statsraaden</span> <span class=GramE>sku

lde</span>

<span class=SpellE>tage</span> sig n&aelig;r <span class=SpellE>af</spa

n> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>det, skulde jeg visselig ikke kommet med de

t. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.15pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style"'>Med hensyn til <span class=SpellE>stormangrebene</sp

an>

kan <span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>jeg, da de er kommet frem gang <sp

an

class=SpellE>paa</span> gang, </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt

'>disse <span

class=SpellE>udtryk</span>, ikke <span class=SpellE>tilbageholde</span>

den

bemerk&shy;</span><span style='letter-spacing:.35pt'>ning, at det er dog

visselig at s&aelig;tte tingen </span><span class=SpellE><span

style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>absolut</span></span><span style='letter-s

pacing:

-.2pt'> <span class=SpellE>paa</span> <span class=SpellE>hovedet</span>

. </span>Thi

<span class=SpellE>hvad</span> er det, som faktisk er <span class=Spell

E>foregaaet</span>?

Jo, forrige <span class=SpellE>session</span> fore&shy;<span style='let

ter-spacing:

-.05pt'>kom det gang <span class=SpellE>paa</span> gang, at medens vi var

</span><span

style='letter-spacing:.4pt'>oppe i <span class=SpellE>afgj&oslash;relse

n</span>

<span class=SpellE>af</span> faktiske og praktiske ting, <span class=Sp

ellE>saa</span>

var det regjeringen, som kom og </span><span style='letter-spacing:.25pt'

>gjorde

<span class=SpellE>kabinetssp&oslash;rsmaal</span> i <span class=SpellE

>vigtige</span>

sager for </span><span style='letter-spacing:.35pt'>at tvinge sin mening

<span

class=SpellE>igjennem</span>. <span class=SpellE>Havde</span> regje&shy

;</span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>ringen ikke gjort <span class=SpellE>kabin

etssp&oslash;rsmaal</span>,

<span class=SpellE>saa</span> <span class=SpellE>havde</span> </span><s

pan

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:.4pt'>afgj&oslash;relserne</sp

an></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.4pt'> i disse <span class=SpellE>vigtige</span>

<span

class=SpellE>sp&oslash;rsmaal</span> i for&shy;</span><span style='lett

er-spacing:

.25pt'>rige </span><span class=SpellE>session</span> <span style='lette

r-spacing:

.25pt'>i stortinget ikke <span class=SpellE>faldt</span> <span class=Sp

ellE>saaledes</span>,

</span>som de gjorde. <span style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>Og <span class

=SpellE>saa</span>

skal det hede, at </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>det er os, som

kommer med <span class=SpellE>stormangreb</span> <span class=SpellE>paa

</span> </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>regjeringen. </span>I virkeligheden er det

regjeringen, som kommer med <span class=SpellE>stormangreb</span> <span

class=SpellE>paa</span> stortinget. <span class=SpellE>Saa&shy;<span

style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'>ledes</span></span><span style='letter-spa

cing:

-.1pt'> er forholdet. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>Jeg ved ikke, hr. <span

class=SpellE>pr&aelig;&shy;sident</span>, om jeg har mere tid. Har jeg et

par </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

-.15pt'>minuter</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman O

ld Style";

letter-spacing:-.15pt'> til?</span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Boo

kman Old Style";

letter-spacing:.2pt'> [</span><span class=SpellE><i style='mso-bidi-fon

t-style:

normal'><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";mso-bidi-fo

nt-weight:

bold'>Pr&aelig;sidenten</span></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:no

rmal'><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";mso-bidi-font-weight:bold

'>: </span></i><i

style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"B

ookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.05pt'>Et <span class=SpellE>minut</span>.</span></i><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>]

Det er

nok for mig. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>Jeg vil bare sige, at <span

class=SpellE>naar</span> statsministeren <span class=SpellE>saa</span>

sterkt <span

class=SpellE>h&aelig;vder</span>, at her er et </span><span style='mso-

bidi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.7pt'>par1amen&shy;t</span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'>arisk

ansvar forbundet med voteringen </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:

"Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.1pt'>i denne sag, <span class=SpellE>saa</span> er det a

nsvar

ikke <span class=SpellE>ukjendt</span> </span><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'>for mig. </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>Je

g har <span

class=SpellE>udtalt</span> mig f&oslash;r om dette </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.4pt'>ansv

ar, og

jeg er naturligvis villig til at <span class=SpellE>tage</span> </span><s

pan

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>det

. </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>Da

vi <span

class=SpellE>blandt</span> <span class=SpellE>meningsf&aelig;ller</span

> tog op

dette </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter

-spacing:

-.1pt'>forslag til <span class=SpellE>udtalelse</span>, <span class=Spe

llE>saa</span>

var vi <span class=SpellE>fuldt</span> <span class=SpellE>paa</span> de

t rene

med, <span class=SpellE>hvad</span> ansvaret <span class=SpellE>maatte<

/span> <span

class=GramE>blive</span>, og man </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-fami

ly:"Bookman Old Style";

letter-spacing:.3pt'>er da ikke <span class=SpellE>saa</span> <span

class=SpellE>absolut</span> <span class=SpellE>gr&oslash;n</span> i det

politiske liv, at </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old S

tyle";

letter-spacing:.4pt'>man ikke ved, <span class=SpellE>hvad</span> politisk

ansvar er. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.4pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:150%'><span style='mso-bidi-fon

t-family:

"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.35pt'>For&shy;&oslash;vrig vil jeg <span

class=SpellE>l&aelig;gge</span> til, at siden regjeringen </span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.1pt'>gj&

oslash;r

<span class=SpellE>kabinetssp&oslash;rsmaal</span> <span class=SpellE>a

f</span>,

om disse to <span class=SpellE>ud<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>ta

lelser</span></span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.05pt'>,

som

der nu er <span class=SpellE>fremsat</span> forslag om, </span><span

class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";lett

er-spacing:

.5pt'>tilsammen</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman O

ld Style";

letter-spacing:.5pt'> <span class=SpellE>faar</span> et <span class=Spe

llE>flertal</span>,

<span class=SpellE>saa</span> er der jo ikke </span><span class=SpellE>

<span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'>lid

en</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:-.2pt'> <s

pan

class=SpellE>sandsynlighed</span> for, at en del <span class=SpellE>af<

/span> <span

class=SpellE>vore</span>, </span><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Boo

kman Old Style";

letter-spacing:-.15pt'>som <span class=SpellE>havde</span> <span class=

SpellE>t&aelig;nkt</span>

at stemme for <span class=SpellE>udtalelsen</span>, </span><span class=

SpellE><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'>lige

som</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style";letter-spacing:.2pt'> i f

orrige

</span><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Ol

d Style"'>session</span></span><span

style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'> <span class=SpellE>fi

nder</span>

<span style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>at <span class=SpellE>maatte</span> <

span

class=SpellE>tage</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>hen

syn til,

at der stilles <span class=SpellE>kabinetssp&oslash;rsmaal</span>, og der

for

stemmer mod <span class=SpellE>udtalelsen</span>. Jeg ved ikke, </span><s

pan

class=SpellE><span style='letter-spacing:.2pt'>hvad</span></span><span

style='letter-spacing:.2pt'> de gj&oslash;r; jeg holder ikke <span

class=SpellE>saa</span> <span class=SpellE>n&oslash;ie</span> <span

class=SpellE>mandtal</span> </span><span style='letter-spacing:.3pt'>ov

er mine

tropper, som det heder, at jeg ved det. </span><span style='letter-spacin

g:

.7pt'>Hos os er det <span class=SpellE>saaledes</span>, at enhver stemmer

</span><span

class=SpellE>efter</span> fri overbevisning; <span style='letter-spacin

g:-.05pt'>der

er </span><span style='letter-spacing:.25pt'>ingen voteringstvang; der er

ingen

voterings</span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt'>tvang </span>i <span

style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>venstreforeningen; enhver </span><span

style='letter-spacing:-.25pt'>stemmer </span><span class=SpellE>efter</

span> <span

style='letter-spacing:-.3pt'>sin </span><span class=GramE><span

style='letter-spacing:.45pt'>fri</span></span><span style='letter-spaci

ng:.45pt'>

</span><span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'>overbevisning, </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.5pt'>og </span>bliver <span style='letter-spacin

g:-.2pt'>det

</span><span style='letter-spacing:-.75pt'>da </span><span style='lette

r-spacing:

-.1pt'>forholdet, </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>at </span><sp

an

style='letter-spacing:.25pt'>vi </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.2p

t'>kommer

</span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'>i <span class=SpellE>mindret

al</span>,

<span class=SpellE>saa</span> er </span>det jo greit, det forhold; det <s

pan

class=SpellE>gaar</span> som f&oslash;r. <span style='letter-spacing:.3

5pt'>Stillingen

for regjeringen bliver ikke <span class=SpellE>saa</span> be&shy;hagelig;

men

arbeidet tror jeg skal <span class=SpellE>gaa</span> sin </span><span

style='letter-spacing:.15pt'>gang.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>

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